Scott, what is your point in giving attention to someone who has shown his totally unethical behavior, and no less unsettling is the likelihood that your blog post will put ideas in some affiliate's heads?
Wouldn't your knowledge and expertise have been better served by sharing it as a reply on his blog than just giving it attention here?
I'm disappointed, Scott.
Landon
· 2 years ago
Its a good trick anyway. Make it more chilling and superb in your blog.
Stephen Ralph
· 2 years ago
Scott: Yep this is completely old school and Bass Ackwards. I guess people don't care about their public perception or credibility anymore.
Sheryl: I disagree. Far more old/new affiliates read this blog so setting the record straight is the duty of an old hat. If someone is on the look for unethical marketing practices you can easily find this info all over the web. Hopefully this post will get some of them back on the ethical marketing path.
Skyobi: SPAM
Kellie
· 2 years ago
Sheryl,
I have to disagree as well. People were commenting on John's blog that the move was ill-advised. ShoeMoney posted himself it was considered fraudulent activity. And still people were commenting saying woohooo...I'm going to try that.
There is a certain mentality of the basic readership over at John's. A lot of AGLOCO folks building up the downlines for a to-be-released sometime in the future parasitic toolbar. John included. You're only going to get so far preaching to that crowd.
OTOH, many networks, managers and merchants read here and at bumpzee. So now they are clued in to put Chow and others posting over there (rather silly to say..oh good idea...I'm going to do that...here's a link to my aff site) on their radar.
Personally I hope other folks boot him from their programs for just promoting the tactic.
Scott
· 2 years ago
Sheryl, sorry to disappoint, but I disagree. I'll leave it at that and not make this about that.
It looks like he also got slapped by eBay (not a ban). That's all he'll get for the first offense from most places. If any of his readers do it, those should count against him.
Pogung177
· 2 years ago
It will be the most worst advise from bad affilite marketer.
Alden Smith
· 2 years ago
Thanks for the head's up. It amazes me what people will do to make a buck..
Hendry Lee
· 2 years ago
Scott,
I know someone who published three consecutive and very successful ebooks on ClickBank that recommends this exact method on one of the ebooks.
He proudly presents this tactics as advanced. You should know who I am talking about.
Unfortunately, this still works on some affiliate networks especially in standalone affiliate programs.
Alan Liew
· 2 years ago
Can't believe a pro-blogger like John Chow teach his readers this unethical tactic. We should stay away this tactic.
Carl
· 2 years ago
When I first started affiliate marketing I had the idea of doing this, so did a quick search on some forums to see if it would work and quickly found out that it wasn't such a good idea.
I guess its for things like this that I should read T+Cs.
Joshua
· 2 years ago
I read John's blog often and I think that the intent in his postings is not always on the surface.
If you read the post, he does say it's evil and not many aff programs will allow it.
I know he doesn't straight out say 'don't do it', as some may think he should...BUT he may just be pushing things to get those links and people talking about him?
That's my thought!
Dension Ice
· 2 years ago
I think your right Joshua, plus with John he's happy to write about any techniques that could earn you money, no matter how "evil" they are, the chances are that theres still a lot of programs that you can get away with using that tactic, I'd personally never risk it, but I'm sure loads of people do and that make a lot of money doing so. Johns blog isn't about the right or wrong of making money, its about making money full stop.
Waken
· 2 years ago
You've just made me smarter.
Jay Peterson
· 2 years ago
I would like to believe that people have better sense than just to take one author's word on any subject as dogma.
Lord Matt
· 2 years ago
Much that is "evil marketing" or black hat is simply about abusing the systems that exist. They rarely build up and more often than not spoil things. Any one who uses them deserves all the fallout they get.
Dubai news
· 2 years ago
The thing is its evil but the idea of a zero Iframe is a common way to perform click fraud. Cheaters have know this for ages.
This ais a cookie stuffing trick of the simplest, no secret released.
What John Chow has done is create controversy and get everyone to discuss his blog.
Uttoransen
· 2 years ago
thanks for the information, i guess we should be more careful when we do this affiliate works, i don't want to get kicked out of the affiliate programes, looking foreword to learn more from your tips,
Scott
· 2 years ago
I think maybe he has. :)
Anime Girl
· 2 years ago
Didn't John Chow get nuked from Google for giving out such advice? I don't think he ranks for his own name anymore let alone keywords like making money online.
Goji Capital
· 2 years ago
I'm glad that you posted this here before anyone else followed his advice and got themselves banned from their affiliate program. I don't know why he thought that such a simple hack would work - the affiliate programs know pretty much every possible trick someone could pull.
Text Link Directory
· 2 years ago
yup...this method is frowned upon by most of the bigger affilate networks like cj. Amazon also implemented their infamous 1-day cookie precisely because of this too.
cheks900
· 1 year ago
to some cash is everything,a cheat is a cheat. but, you know there is always 'somebody' that thinks HE or she wouldn't get caught.
watch free anime
· 1 year ago
I bet he's hiding his REALLY good ideas too. If he shared them, you guys would all be blogging about me too lol. Though i never knew about cookie stuffing... I could try this but it makes me feel bad :(
SeanFu
· 1 year ago
I wouldn't follow some advice that people give, especially if it risks you getting into trouble, suspended, banned from advertising networks.. especially if those advertising networks are already making you some solid money.
The Mad Ape
· 1 year ago
You guys have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and John has punked all of you and you don't even realize it.
Of course he knows that this whole thing is fraudulent and black hat. But he is playing his game of poker so well that you fell for his bluff.
Think about it. He gives out bad advice and a bunch of people get the boot for generating fraudulent leads. All the while he is doing everything by the book.
This is known as 'Affiliate Darwinism' - Survival of the Smartest. He has turned a bunch of lemmings into fodder and made you guys look like fools for wasting your time on this.
Hey! I support Scott anyway, because his writes so good, man!
busby seo
· 1 year ago
yup nice article Scott. thanks.
Anime figure
· 11 months ago
Pretty Good post! but honesty should prevail
renantech
· 11 months ago
Thanks for this informative advice.
pdfoxy
· 11 months ago
this method is frowned upon by most of the bigger affilate networks like cj. Amazon
seo tester
· 11 months ago
nice very informative tips.. thanks for sharing
FreeRegistryCleaner
· 10 months ago
So whats your purpose of writing that kind of article?
Lito | TheFilipinoEntrepreneur
· 7 months ago
I was contemplating of signing up on his feedburner because I've seen a successful blogger in our country who is an avid follower of John Chow. I knew his blog a long time ago but don't read much on his blog. all I know of his is he is one of the most successful blogger in the world. But when I search his blog on Google now, I can't find it. What happened?
The Mad Ape
· 7 months ago
John was Google slapped for promoting and engaging in linking activities that they considered baddy bad bad. You see Google owns the internet and unless you buy links from them and them alone you will get slapped too.
All Comments
Wouldn't your knowledge and expertise have been better served by sharing it as a reply on his blog than just giving it attention here?
I'm disappointed, Scott.
Sheryl: I disagree. Far more old/new affiliates read this blog so setting the record straight is the duty of an old hat. If someone is on the look for unethical marketing practices you can easily find this info all over the web. Hopefully this post will get some of them back on the ethical marketing path.
Skyobi: SPAM
I have to disagree as well. People were commenting on John's blog that the move was ill-advised. ShoeMoney posted himself it was considered fraudulent activity. And still people were commenting saying woohooo...I'm going to try that.
There is a certain mentality of the basic readership over at John's. A lot of AGLOCO folks building up the downlines for a to-be-released sometime in the future parasitic toolbar. John included. You're only going to get so far preaching to that crowd.
OTOH, many networks, managers and merchants read here and at bumpzee. So now they are clued in to put Chow and others posting over there (rather silly to say..oh good idea...I'm going to do that...here's a link to my aff site) on their radar.
Personally I hope other folks boot him from their programs for just promoting the tactic.
It looks like he also got slapped by eBay (not a ban). That's all he'll get for the first offense from most places. If any of his readers do it, those should count against him.
I know someone who published three consecutive and very successful ebooks on ClickBank that recommends this exact method on one of the ebooks.
He proudly presents this tactics as advanced. You should know who I am talking about.
Unfortunately, this still works on some affiliate networks especially in standalone affiliate programs.
I guess its for things like this that I should read T+Cs.
If you read the post, he does say it's evil and not many aff programs will allow it.
I know he doesn't straight out say 'don't do it', as some may think he should...BUT he may just be pushing things to get those links and people talking about him?
That's my thought!
This ais a cookie stuffing trick of the simplest, no secret released.
What John Chow has done is create controversy and get everyone to discuss his blog.
implemented their infamous 1-day cookie precisely because of this too.
but, you know there is always 'somebody' that thinks HE or she wouldn't get caught.
Of course he knows that this whole thing is fraudulent and black hat. But he is playing his game of poker so well that you fell for his bluff.
Think about it. He gives out bad advice and a bunch of people get the boot for generating fraudulent leads. All the while he is doing everything by the book.
This is known as 'Affiliate Darwinism' - Survival of the Smartest. He has turned a bunch of lemmings into fodder and made you guys look like fools for wasting your time on this.
The Mad Ape
The Mad Ape