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Jangro.com: Damn Marketers. Affiliate Links in Twitter

  • lisa picarille · 10 months ago
    i don't have an issue with it - especially because you use the grinder and i regard you as a coffee lover. in fact, i may use the link and buy one. however, if you were pushing affiliate links in tweets everyday i might think twice about your motives. i also don't think there needs to be disclosure. i can always unfollow someone if i feel uncomfortable about the links. this case it was helpful.
  • Todd Crawford · 10 months ago
    I think it is fine to include an affiliate link in a tweet - especially if it is a response to a question someone else initiated. I draw the line on those spammy junk tweets but when it is between friends or colleagues, it doesn't bother me.
  • Stephen Robinson · 10 months ago
    Hi Scott, you bring up an interesting point regarding posting affiliate links in tweets from a non deal-specific Twitter account. I would be curious to know if you lose any followers as a result of including one affiliate link in your tweet. Although I agree with Lisa, since you are a known as a coffee lover, I don't see anything wrong with you suggesting a product you believe in on Twitter and receiving some commission in the process.

    Do you think being transparent would have led to a different response from your followers? I am curious to see what role Twitter plays in this space, non deal-specific Twitter accounts, going forward.

    Thanks for sharing this experience.
  • Scott Jangro · 10 months ago
    To answer your question, Stephen, I don't think I've lost any followers in the past few days due to this single tweet.
  • Joe Magennis · 10 months ago
    Scott.. I had this exact conversation recently and Magpie was included as part of the dialogue. The follow/unfollow option gives everyone the ability to bail on someone who uses twitter incessantly to push affiliate links or Magpie links, so there is some protection there.

    The other side of the coin is not wanting the dreaded reputation of "trying to sell insurance to my friends" .. where people avert their eyes when they see me coming! I don't want my twitter friends to think I view them as just a target customer .. I'd rather use twitter to develop better connections than earn a few % points.

    Do opinions change any if we are talking about inserting links in a Facebook status update or is it the same thing? My inclination is that a higher number of twitter users would be able to discern an affiliate link whereas Facebook users would not ... Curious to see if that platform generates any different thoughts on the subject.....
  • Scott Jangro · 10 months ago
    Right, I definitely don't want to be "that guy". It's not my style anyway.

    Lisa and a few other people made the distinction on a helpful tweet that was in response to a question vs. just pushing links on people. Even so, I don't see doing much of that personally.

    This isn't just about me though. I'm thinking more generally here for academic purposes. Good stuff to think about.
  • StephARC · 10 months ago
    If it's useful and done in moderation I think it's fine. Plus if you don't like what someone is tweeting don't complicate your life just unfollow them!
  • Scott Jangro · 10 months ago
    good points Lisa. The "can always unfollow" seems to be the great power of twitter in many scenarios.
  • Scott Jangro · 10 months ago
    It'll be hard to attribute unfollows to this one event, but I'll try.

    I haven't got a negative response from anybody yet. Just opening it up for discussion, and maybe I'll get some negative responses from asking. :)
  • Shawn Collins · 10 months ago
    Absolutely on the unfollow point - I think it was a totally legitimate and useful post.

    I am happy if 1/5 of Tweets from a given person are relevant to me anyway.

    Now, if you posted affiliate links for random items without responding to somebody, it would get tiresome.
  • MikeAllen · 10 months ago
    Followers can tell the difference between when they are being "marketed at" and one who is genuinely sharing information as you did. In general, I think it's wise to identify when a link is an affiliate link but that can be hard to do given the 140 character limitations of Twitter. Personally, I'm more concerned about general Twitter spamming than af few embedded affiliate links between friends.
  • danielle · 10 months ago
    totally agree.

    marketers can be either overly sensitive or completely not care at all. i sort of assume half the links in twitter are some kind of redirect to some potentially profitable source, but if it's useful to me, it's useful to me so i personally wouldn't care if someone sent a useful aff link. if it's not i won't click on it. from a user pov, i'm more annoyed with someone trying to "sell me" on something. assuming the critics weren't aff marketers, is it an issue? ie Is the link still useful and still create a solution?
  • Kristin Kinsey · 10 months ago
    Someone specifically asked for a recommendation that you follow and he follows back. You offered a suggestion. Had you not offered that suggestion, it is possible that they would not have found that specific grinder. Others who clicked on it must have some sort of interest as well.

    I personally have no problem with it and probably would have expected it especially considering most that I follow and am followed by are in affiliate marketing. :)
  • Kristin Kinsey · 10 months ago
    To add, it wasn't like you posted it just randomly, you used the @ which is a reply to someone specific. If someone clicks on it and doesn't like it, then tough, unfollow. The message wasn't for them .. lol.
  • Joe Magennis · 10 months ago
    I understood you were looking at it in general, not specifically, it's a topic that needs more exploration for sure.

    This came up during a recent social media club shindig here. A developer was looking for input on some functionality he was adding to an e-commerce site. During checkout, the shopper would be presented with an on the spot discount in exchange for sending a linked tweet (another way of looking at the scenario) .. it's interesting.

    ..... discussion ensued about disclosure, spam, magpie etc.. great dialogue. The sentiment of the room was typically mixed. I gave the guy kudos for looking for insight.
  • John · 10 months ago
    I don't need to be over protected in life. Unfollow gives me moderation power. To me it's not a problem and in the case of the grinder we know you and appreciated the recommendation.
  • Joe Sousa · 10 months ago
    No problem at all. As other have said if you are just trolling around Twitter looking for places to drop links that would probably be bad but if someone asks for a recommendation and you can give them a real recommendation and put a little coin in your pocket for it there is nothing wrong with that.

    On many (most?) affiliate sites out there aren't we basically making recommendations? Some one is searching for something, they find our site somehow, and see a list of products. In some form or another this could be construed as a recommendation, endorsement, etc. . Someone is looking for a coffee grinder, they find my site about coffee grinders, see some products, and buy one "because" they found it on my site. In some obscure, convoluted way this is similar to giving someone a recommendation of a product.

    In the real world if you had a friend who emailed you or asked you for a recommendation for a product would you feel wrong sending them to your affiliate site or sending them an affilaite link? Not much difference here.
  • Geno Prussakov · 10 months ago
    What Mike Allen said (everything! from whether it's okay to the disclosure question).

    And you're exactly right, Scott, I personally am 100% okay with this. In fact, I believe, you deserve the commission for that sale if it ever happens. You've done your job! And guess what? You were the *only* one on Twitter who recommended a grinder back in response to me. I got few more replies on Facebook, but none on Twitter...
  • Brad Waller · 10 months ago
    Isn't this a perfect example of a value add affiliate link? This was not a broadcast ad, this was a response to a query by a friend, who can see an affiliate link for what it is and can choose to overwrite the cookie with their own code if they wanted.
  • Daniel M. Clark · 10 months ago
    No problem at all in my estimation. It's weird... we're marketers, yet many of us have a problem with affiliate links - not just on Twitter, but on sites as well... the whole notion of disclosure is very strange to me. I would never lie and say that an affiliate link isn't an affiliate link, but I don't really see the need for prominent full disclosure.

    If we are affiliate marketers, and the basic premise of affiliate marketing is that we earn a commission for driving traffic to a *relevant* merchant... then aren't we self-haters when we complain that someone provides us with an affiliate link?
  • phim online · 10 months ago
    I don't mind it as long as the affiliate link is legit (like you really own the coffee maker you're link to). If I'm going to buy that coffee maker, why not through your link and give you the commission you deserve for recommending it?

    Now someone pushing ebook affiliate links all day long is another story. But tweeting a legit offer no matter what the product is, I have no problem with.
  • phim online · 10 months ago
    ops i meant to quote sorry....
  • Jim Kukral · 10 months ago
    This happens over and over when new tech comes out. Happened with blogs years ago too. The debate is the same is my point. The reason it's ok Scott is because you have trust.

    Affiliate marketing, at its core, is built on WOM word of mouth which is trust. You have tons of it.

    I've done surveys and polls on this topic for years now and most recently spoken with top bloggers about this issue. The results? Nobody cares if trusted sources use affiliate links. In fact, my studies have shown that readers/visitors actually prefer to "help out" people they trust by using their affiliate links (or tip jars for that matter).

    Ask any top blogger, as I did, about how affiliate marketing plays into their monetization plans for 2009 and beyond, and they'll all tell you that it is quickly becoming the #1 method behind sponsorships. It's currently at a close second. Why? Trust.

    Ask them also how many people complain about it and they'll tell you 1%.

    Now, I'm going to go buy that coffee thing from your link. :)
  • Matt_Enders · 10 months ago
    I see no problem with including an affiliate link in your Tweet. Twitter, as with Facebook, blogs, and any other type of social media out there, is an open platform for you to use as you wish. If you choose to use Twitter to basically spam everyone following you with "deal" after "deal", you probably won't have very many followers. As was said before in comments, Un-follow is a very powerful tool.

    Twitter tends to be used for a mixture of business and personal reasons. I personally post updates about programs we manage all the time. By the same token, I also post about going to the gym and having Valentine's dinner with my wife. How you use the mediums available to you is your personal decision. Again, if people are interested, they will follow. Life and business are not black and white, nor are they mutually exclusive of one another.
  • Steve Kirstein · 10 months ago
    Slightly OT, but since you're obviously a coffee aficionado, I'll throw this out there.

    My Saeco Magic DeLuxe superautomatic, which I bought while still at Be Free (!) is finally giving up the ghost. Do you use a superautomatic? If so, which and what do you like/dislike about it?
  • TrishaLyn · 10 months ago
    It seems okay to me... you're referring someone else to this product that you like and believe in, so why not get a referral boost? If you made a habit out of it, yes it'd be annoying, but once in awhile seems fine.
  • Ad Hustler · 10 months ago
    I see no problem giving an affiliate link if you are offering a reference for something. Proper protocol really would be to warn them that its an affiliate link though, just so its out in the open.
  • Shawn Collins · 10 months ago
    What's the protocol for including this warning in a Tweet?
  • Ad Hustler · 10 months ago
    Just in general...if I was amongst internet marketing piers...and i were going to post an affiliate link...i would probably post the affiliate link and then write (aff link) or something like that after, just to warn people. I wouldn't want piers to think I were tricking them into clicking a link. (The everyday person is a whole other story) - Quite honestly though, I try not to push affiliate links on other affiliate marketers at all because its sort of tacky.
  • Shawn Collins · 10 months ago
    I don't think that's practical in many cases on Twitter with the character limitation.

    Also, if you're solving a problem, what's the issue?

    In this case, I see it as Scott was providing assistance and happened to include an affiliate link. His Tweet didn't exist just to have an affiliate link in it.
  • Michael Vorel · 10 months ago
    Although tempting to drop in affiliate links into Twitter posts I personally don't do it. I see it as crossing the line unless disclosure is made that you may profit from it. As long as people are aware of what you are doing than it's fine and contributes to the trust factor.
  • Ad Hustler · 10 months ago
    I respect your opinion. Your also not wrong at all. I guess it's just my style not to do that. I wouldn't think less of Scott for doing it if he were responding to me with the affiliate link, but I happen to know some affiliates get crazy about that stuff. They feel like your trying to pull a fast one on them.
  • I Need Money · 10 months ago
    I don't think there's anything wrong as long as you aren't misleading or lying to anyone, but I personally won't do it because I only Twitter to people I know in real life.
  • Luke SMITH · 10 months ago
    I think it's fine - I agree with what Jim is saying about trust - this is key as an affiliate you want to sell the reader on a product or service and if they already trust you as a source I believe they will not have issue. But if there is no trust and you just post affiliate links then the readers will see right tough it and have issue with the link. I also love coffee and am drinking Bolivian coffee this week.
  • Jon · 10 months ago
    I don't see any problem with using affiliate links in tweets. What bothers me is people getting offended by them. The people complaining act as though that product bought through that affiliate link will cost them more than if it had been a non-affiliate link.
  • Scott Jangro · 10 months ago
    Trying to empathize with people who might be offended here. Isn't it really that opinions and recommendations are suspect if there's money involved.

    Money changes everything.
  • Shawn Collins · 10 months ago
    Do you consider it different if there is a link in a Tweet to a blog post with affiliate links?
  • Geno Prussakov · 10 months ago
    Yes, in most instances "opinions and recommendations" *are* "suspect if there's money involved". I still believe it is possible to genuinely review something, and make money on the side too, but there's a fine line between ethically responsible marketing and monetary interest.
  • Jon · 10 months ago
    Point taken.
    There are many points on which someone could suspect a bias. Affiliate links are only one of many.
    You also failed to reveal that you own stock in KitchenAid and a family member of yours works for them. ;)
  • Scott Jangro · 10 months ago
    Hey! How did you know that? ;)

    Good points. Affiliate links just happen to be a visible bias if you know what you're looking for, so it's easy to get put off by them.
  • Michael Vorel · 10 months ago
    Yes, a direct affiliate link to Amazon is different than sending to your affiliate owned site. If Scott said I like the Rancilio Rocky grinder and you can check it out on my site rockybrew.com - attach photo or link it would be better?. By disclosing you are giving a personal recommendation and that you own the site it should be good for both parties and $$ in Scott's pocket. Now I have a coffee site but choose not to put the link in my explanation for the same reason.
  • Hilary · 10 months ago
    I believe that this situation it was ok to post an affiliate link for a few reasons. The two most important I feel are 1. Someone asked for it. 2. You own the product.

    Posting affiliate links should be determined per situation.
  • wiseaff · 10 months ago
    I think if you are making a recommendation and you can get paid for it, you would be stupid not to.
  • StephARC · 10 months ago
    People just need to use common sense and not go overboard with posting affiliate links.
  • andrew wee · 10 months ago
    Great discussion. I think the biz model for affiliates is predicated on them clicking on a tracking link for a product.
    If tracking based on some other type of tracking, would we still be having this convo?

    I have mentioned before that when you promote something, you're putting your personal rep behind it.
    Recommend something dubious and your rep might get shot from one lousy recommendation.

    A number of shopping comparison sites, coupon sites comprise nothing but affiliate links, but on a deeper value, they need to provide some kind of value.

    In this case if you've used the machine, it does what it's supposed to and more, and you make a couple of bucks recommending it, I don't see why all this stuff should be factoring in.
  • Kevin72 · 10 months ago
    Scott: Where I sit, the entire point of affiliate marketing is adding value to a merchant. That said, it's fair to say that you added value for this merchant. We can assume that most people following you trust you (or take the "keep your enemies closer" approach). So what's the issue in adding an affiliate link in Twitter if that's the case?

    As with any other potential advertising medium, there will be spammers, and there will be genuine good advertising. I think you fall into the latter category in this case.

    Affiliate marketing exists solely to build brand and revenue through bringing in consumers ready to buy. Ignoring Twitter would be folly, just like ignoring Facebook would be.

    You also have to remember that most of your followers are most likely affiliates, and therefore aware of what you are doing. 99.9% of people wouldn't be. Therein is the real bonus to the merchant, and the real danger to the consumer. If you really didn't like the coffee maker, it's problematic for the buyer.

    Since you do own it. No problem.

    It's a problem that extends beyond affiliate marketing, and really lies with word of mouth advertising. It's a question of intent. Am I doing this to make money as the root reason, or is the commission incidental?
  • Kevin72 · 10 months ago
    Scott: Where I sit, the entire point of affiliate marketing is adding value to a merchant. That said, it's fair to say that you added value for this merchant. We can assume that most people following you trust you (or take the "keep your enemies closer" approach). So what's the issue in adding an affiliate link in Twitter if that's the case?

    As with any other potential advertising medium, there will be spammers, and there will be genuine good advertising. I think you fall into the latter category in this case.

    Affiliate marketing exists solely to build brand and revenue through bringing in consumers ready to buy. Ignoring Twitter would be folly, just like ignoring Facebook would be.

    You also have to remember that most of your followers are most likely affiliates, and therefore aware of what you are doing. 99.9% of people wouldn't be. Therein is the real bonus to the merchant, and the real danger to the consumer. If you really didn't like the coffee maker, it's problematic for the buyer.

    Since you do own it. No problem.

    It's a problem that extends beyond affiliate marketing, and really lies with word of mouth advertising. It's a question of intent. Am I doing this to make money as the root reason, or is the commission incidental?

    Edit: I just read your Disclosure policy here. I could have saved a lot of time :)
  • Evan · 10 months ago
    I thought that was the whole purpose of Twitter, to help grow affiliate marketing!
  • Logan · 10 months ago
    I don't see anything wrong with this, especially if:
    (a) it is a product you own or have experience with
    (b) you know the person you are twittering too
    (c) you aren't spending all day long sending affiliate links
  • wiseaff · 10 months ago
    Coming in a bit late to this discussion. 1st, Scott, I wasn't "calling you out" I thought it was a GREAT use of the technology and you provided a great response to someone asking the question "looking for some advise". I would have been disappointed in you if you didn't use an affiliate link, why not get paid for your recommendation.

    Adam
  • Scott Jangro · 10 months ago
    Thanks Adam. That became clearer after today. :) It was mostly tongue in cheek though.
  • wiseaff · 10 months ago
    It's all good, it's a good discussion. Twitter is an up and coming platform, it will be interesting to watch how it develops and how marketers learn to use it.
  • free movies website · 10 months ago
    I agree that it's okay with aff links as long as the things recommended are quality and not some scam.
  • Jim Banks · 10 months ago
    Jim Kukral hit the nail on the head. Trust is what matters here. The fact that you endorse a product, took the time to suggest it, made it easier for Geno to decide, your helping to boost Amazon's revenue by selling on their behalf.

    I know a few people who own restaurants. Often I am asked for recommendations, I encourage to tell the owners of restaurants I suggest that I sent them in. Hopefully it will get them a decent table and service and maybe some money off the bill, it will also enhance the service I get next time I go there. If I start to recommend them based on who gives me the biggest backhander it no longer is a recommendation and people will soon stop asking for them.

    I think it's cool. should be encouraged, it won't affect my decision to buy or not to buy.
  • Dieta · 9 months ago
    I don't see any problem with affiliate links. The other person loses nothing by clicking this link and they may just repay you for helping them. It's a win-win situation.
  • atommedia · 9 months ago
    I'd say there was a bit of paranoia going on here, what was really important is that you have a coffee machine which you like and here's where you can get hold of one, sorry you should have said, send me a smoke message at night and I'll reply using my insignia machine and give you directions to somewhere on the planet where you will find a buried map, only then will the location of the coffee machine become known.
  • job application · 9 months ago
    it's good that this has already been cleared out. bottom line is, it was helpful in the given situation. it was obviously a way of trying to help. and i think we should give people more credit as regard recognizing those who are spamming, or whatever.
  • Brad · 9 months ago
    Further to the "tip jar" idea, I'm quite happy to click on the google ads on a site that I regularly visit (of course they're relevant!)
  • Evan · 9 months ago
    Why not just buy through your own affiliate links after reading the recommendation? Go to link, check it out, clear your cookies, join merchant's aff program, visit site through your tracking link, and buy the product...oh ya use a coupon code to save even more. Or if you want to be good to one of your affiliate friends buy through their site...just a thought. Unless of course you want to give the sale to your twitter friend for recommending it to you, then do that!
  • CrazyCat · 8 months ago
    I am going to have to sign up to receive your feed. This is good stuff
  • Prasanna · 8 months ago
    Can you give me more details on how put affiliate links on Twitter

    Thank You
  • Franklin Banker · 6 months ago
    I also love coffee, and would welcome a recommendation for a good machine I did not previously know about. This is exactly what good affiliate marketing is all about.

    No different than a blog. Readers have the choice of clicking or not. Always an option either way. Personally, if I liked the product and decided to buy it, I would not clear any cookies and buy with my link. I would give Jangro the sale.

    Affiliates should be honest, but many are not.
  • Jason · 6 months ago
    I'm glad I came across this post because I think that affiliate links in twitter is getting out of hand. Its starting to seem like Twitter is the place that Clickbank Affiliates go to sell Clickbank Products to other Clickbank Affiliates.

    I don't see a problem with offering up an affiliate link if you have used the product and just want to spread the word and make a bit of money for your effot, but lately, there has really been in increase in people opening multiple fake accounts and sending tons of automated tweets with affiliate links.

    I agree that everyone has the choice to click on a link or not, but its frustrating trying to sift through all the affiliate tweets to get to the ones that have good information.
  • Doug Champigny · 6 months ago
    Great post, Scott!

    As the author of Advanced Twitter Marketing, let me state right up front that I post a lot of affiliate links on Twitter, and retweet a lot of other people's links as well. But it's important to remember that each person creates their own Twitterverse based on whom they choose to follow. I chuckle when I see comments like 'trying to sift through' - you only see the tweets from those you chose to follow, and can always unfollow them anytime.

    Almost every usage for Twitter is legit as long as people are upfront about it - those who want to use it for business purposes and those who want to discuss what their kids had for breakfast are equally relevant to their own following.

    My advice is simply to follow those you think have the same interests as you, and fine tune it as you see what each person tweets. Then just be yourself and let your followers do the same.
  • Emrah · 2 weeks ago
    Great post. Thank You
  • Sam Orchard · 2 weeks ago
    I haven't seen that many links on twitter, I am not sure I agree with it but it is definitely something I assume we will see more of in the future.